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Just...wow
Feb. 24th, 2010 05:37 pmHubby and I are conservatives. OtherSteve is fairly liberal. Hubby's been friends with him for about 20 years. They met in college. Apparently they share enough commonalities that the disparity in political viewpoints has never been a big problem for them.
We have a pretty lively exchange of emails between us. Hubby's dad will send either hubby or myself something of a conservative nature, hubby will find something and send it to me or my FIL, OtherSteve will send something to hubby, etc. Until today, we all managed to conduct ourselves in a fairly adult, respectful manner.
I just sent OtherSteve, and hubby, an email my FIL sent me. Long story short, it doesn't portray The Bamster in a very favorable light, but I forwarded it to OtherSteve anyway, because I was genuinely interested in what he had to say.
As I'd expected, he disagreed rather vehemently with the points the email made. That's fine. That I can deal with.
Then I got to the last paragraph.
Lastly, as someone so significantly dependent on the charity of others, whether family, husband, insurance or government (SSI), I marvel at how much you bite the hand that feeds you.
I'm really hurt that OtherSteve has suddenly decided that, if he can't "win" (and neither hubby nor I ever viewed our discussions as any sort of "competition") an argument by reasoned debate, he'd rather hit me where he knows it'll hurt the most, instead.
EDIT: Now he's backtracking. In response to that bit of wisdom, I sent him the following email:
Re: your last paragraph:
I didn't ask to be born.
I didn't ask to be born disabled.
I didn't ask to be disabled to the point I can no longer work.
I contributed to the economic stability of this country for a dozen years, from August '95 until December '07. I contributed to my own welfare, to the best of my ability, during that time as well. I would have thought, after knowing me for five or six years, you'd know me well enough by now to understand that, if I could tolerate doing so, I'd still be working full time. By your logic, I should have saved everyone the trouble of supporting me, and committed suicide a long time ago.
Perhaps my husband has failed to make this point clear to you, during his tenure at (hubby's employer, hubby is a hearing rep who helps ppl file for disability). There are people, like myself, who genuinely deserve to be on some form of assistance because, for circumstances beyond their control, they cannot, or can no longer, work to support themselves. Then there are those people on generational welfare--Grandma's on welfare, Mom's on welfare, so what's the incentive to go out and get a job when Obama can "redistribute" other people's income so that the next generation of people unwilling to work, don't have to.
And apparently the email I sent you made you so angry you forgot how to spell correctly. Try "equivalent" (not "equivilent") and "fallacy" (not "falicy"). If you want to take cheap shots at me, I can't stop you. But at least try to look intelligent while you're doing it.
BTW--this is not the first email either Steve or I have sent you expressing a conservative point of view. What's so special about this one, that you felt it necessary to deliberately go out of your way to cut me where you know I'll bleed? I hope you're proud of yourself. I always thought you were a better person than that.
To which he replied with:
Let me assure you that I do NOT blame you, judge you, nor think less of you because of your medical conditions. I merely wished to point out that you appear to apply principals to others that you do not apply to yourself. I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings in doing so. Such was not my intention.
Could've fooled me, buddy! (I also like "principals"...like I said before, when you're trying to make a point it comes across so much better when you do so in an intelligent manner.)
We have a pretty lively exchange of emails between us. Hubby's dad will send either hubby or myself something of a conservative nature, hubby will find something and send it to me or my FIL, OtherSteve will send something to hubby, etc. Until today, we all managed to conduct ourselves in a fairly adult, respectful manner.
I just sent OtherSteve, and hubby, an email my FIL sent me. Long story short, it doesn't portray The Bamster in a very favorable light, but I forwarded it to OtherSteve anyway, because I was genuinely interested in what he had to say.
As I'd expected, he disagreed rather vehemently with the points the email made. That's fine. That I can deal with.
Then I got to the last paragraph.
Lastly, as someone so significantly dependent on the charity of others, whether family, husband, insurance or government (SSI), I marvel at how much you bite the hand that feeds you.
I'm really hurt that OtherSteve has suddenly decided that, if he can't "win" (and neither hubby nor I ever viewed our discussions as any sort of "competition") an argument by reasoned debate, he'd rather hit me where he knows it'll hurt the most, instead.
EDIT: Now he's backtracking. In response to that bit of wisdom, I sent him the following email:
Re: your last paragraph:
I didn't ask to be born.
I didn't ask to be born disabled.
I didn't ask to be disabled to the point I can no longer work.
I contributed to the economic stability of this country for a dozen years, from August '95 until December '07. I contributed to my own welfare, to the best of my ability, during that time as well. I would have thought, after knowing me for five or six years, you'd know me well enough by now to understand that, if I could tolerate doing so, I'd still be working full time. By your logic, I should have saved everyone the trouble of supporting me, and committed suicide a long time ago.
Perhaps my husband has failed to make this point clear to you, during his tenure at (hubby's employer, hubby is a hearing rep who helps ppl file for disability). There are people, like myself, who genuinely deserve to be on some form of assistance because, for circumstances beyond their control, they cannot, or can no longer, work to support themselves. Then there are those people on generational welfare--Grandma's on welfare, Mom's on welfare, so what's the incentive to go out and get a job when Obama can "redistribute" other people's income so that the next generation of people unwilling to work, don't have to.
And apparently the email I sent you made you so angry you forgot how to spell correctly. Try "equivalent" (not "equivilent") and "fallacy" (not "falicy"). If you want to take cheap shots at me, I can't stop you. But at least try to look intelligent while you're doing it.
BTW--this is not the first email either Steve or I have sent you expressing a conservative point of view. What's so special about this one, that you felt it necessary to deliberately go out of your way to cut me where you know I'll bleed? I hope you're proud of yourself. I always thought you were a better person than that.
To which he replied with:
Let me assure you that I do NOT blame you, judge you, nor think less of you because of your medical conditions. I merely wished to point out that you appear to apply principals to others that you do not apply to yourself. I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings in doing so. Such was not my intention.
Could've fooled me, buddy! (I also like "principals"...like I said before, when you're trying to make a point it comes across so much better when you do so in an intelligent manner.)
